Thread: Whizzed Or Dipped 1890-CC Morgan "MS-63?"

[QUOTE=ndgoflo]

Originally Posted by MorganFred

I'm sure if I post a negative FB, she'll retaliate and I've got a clean record so far. EBay's feedback system needs improvement; perhaps automatic withholding of feedback posts until BOTH are posted?

I think this is an excellent idea. It would totally eliminate retaliatory feedback and withholding feedback.

Another idea might be to deduct one point for NOT leaving feedback.

MorganFred,

I disagree with this idea all together...! I don't feel it would be constructive for taking a point away for not leaving a feedback. Then you have a battle as to who has to leave feedback first. No..No..No..
I sure hope we don't go in that direction.

catman

Hi catman, I know I'm not right about alot of things, and this may be one, but just think of how many sellers have feedback that looks excellent, only because a number of buyers didn't leave neg. feedback on a bad deal for fear of getting neg feedback in return.

[QUOTE=ndgoflo]

Originally Posted by MorganFred

I'm sure if I post a negative FB, she'll retaliate and I've got a clean record so far. EBay's feedback system needs improvement; perhaps automatic withholding of feedback posts until BOTH are posted?

I think this is an excellent idea. It would totally eliminate retaliatory feedback and withholding feedback.

Another idea might be to deduct one point for NOT leaving feedback.

ndgoflo,

I again can't go along with your idea until you establish who has to leave the feedback first, Buyer or Seller. At that point I would decide whether I would participate in the feedback at all.

catman

I can see your arguement, and I agree. The only way my idea would work would be if ebay instituted Morgan Freds idea of not posting feedback from either party until both sides have submitted feedback for the other. Say 30 days after the end of auction if one of the parties have not left feedback, then the party who did leave feedback would have it posted, and the party who didn't leave feedback would have a point deducted from their rating.

It is just an idea that came to mind when I was reading MorganFreds post and I haven't thought it over too hard. Just seemed like a good idea at the time.

Hey Bill,

I think you've got something there..! When we work on a problem long enough someone will come up with a solution that is acceptable.... NICE WORK.

catman

[QUOTE=cdb1950I absolutely will not leave feedback to a buyer until they are happy and leave positive feedback for me. [/QUOTE]

This is where we have a philosophical difference. In my viewpoint as a seller, if a buyer has paid promptly or within a reasonable period of time, I feel that he/she has lived up to his end of the contract and I will issue a positive feedback immediately upon payment confirmation. By waiting until the buyer places feedback first, the seller forces the buyer into a defensive position and into a potential retaliatory feedback situation. If he/she (the buyer) cannot give an honest evaluation of the product (presuming that both parties cannot or do not communicate to work out issues) without fear of retribution, the feedback system is meaningless. In other words, if the buyer has done everything correctly by the numbers during the payment stage and has earned a positive feedback, he/she is STILL open to a negative feedback by the seller, even if the seller is the one who has misrepresented an item or him/herself or otherwise has violated eBay's rules and is the one who deserves a negative FB. It is up to the seller to EARN positive feedback by ensuring that the buyer is satisfied. It is NOT the right of a seller to withhold feedback until the buyer posts feedback so that he can respond in kind.

The present feedback mechanism is eBay's greteast flaw. Holding back viewing of feedback until both parties have posted seems the only way to fairly assess both ends of the transaction.

I'm in this vulnerable situation right now as the buyer of the Morgan which started this thread. I paid immediately after winning the auction and sent an email off to the seller right away to make contact; that's all I can do from my end, all I can do. While both parties have now posted positive feedback, I didn't get mine until I had posted favorable FB. I knew that she would nail me if I gave her the neg FB which she deserved (at least at this point; she hasn't responded to my email yet) no matter how long I dragged out this little drama, so it was easier to give her a positive although I still can add more info later at the conclusion of this opera.

Fred

Originally Posted by MorganFred

I'm in this vulnerable situation right now as the buyer of the Morgan which started this thread.
I knew that she would nail me if I gave her the neg FB which she deserved

Here are the two main reasons why I do not recommend Ebay to people who are not well versed in numismatics. This whole feedback system is flawed to protect the power sellers. I have heard so many horror stories from collectors that DO NOT leave a negative rating because of the backlash. Unfortunately, the snowball continues to roll along and run over unsuspecting collectors who look at the high feedback rating and falsely believe that they are safe.

I finally received an answer back from the seller of the Morgan or, at least from her husband/SO/partner after sending out a resend of my first message. He stated that they have a 72-hour return policy (1st time I had heard about it) and that he preferred the coin be returned to him immediately if I was not satisfied. I advised him that I had already submitted the coin to PCGS, but that if they had responded to my earlier messages and I had known of a return policy before I had sent it out, I might have sent it back. However, I stated, because the coin is borderline zipped (old dip or maybe not at all), PCGS might still certify it.

I may have eaten the Big Weinie on this deal, but I went into it knowing it was a risk. We'll just have to wait and see what PCGS says - I sent it in with several others using the 15-day Regular service, so it should be back about the 3rd week of January.

It's a heluva business.

Fred

Originally Posted by MorganFred

I finally received an answer back from the seller of the Morgan or, at least from her husband/SO/partner after sending out a resend of my first message. He stated that they have a 72-hour return policy (1st time I had heard about it) and that he preferred the coin be returned to him immediately if I was not satisfied. I advised him that I had already submitted the coin to PCGS, but that if they had responded to my earlier messages and I had known of a return policy before I had sent it out, I might have sent it back. However, I stated, because the coin is borderline zipped (old dip or maybe not at all), PCGS might still certify it.

I may have eaten the Big Weinie on this deal, but I went into it knowing it was a risk. We'll just have to wait and see what PCGS says - I sent it in with several others using the 15-day Regular service, so it should be back about the 3rd week of January.

It's a heluva business.

Fred

You know Fred. I would be more concerned as to how you graded the coin and not worry about PCGS's opinion. If you like the coin then you should keep it. If you don't then it should be returned to the seller.

catman

I am also ready to buy a CC Morgan in a GSA holder. Is there a problem w/ fakes in gsa holders?
thx